Tesla Model Y vs Ford Mach E - Head to Head

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Ryan Shaw

11 oy oldin

How does the new Ford Mach E compare to the Tesla Model Y? Both are crossover SUV's, but one comes from a legacy automaker and another from a much newer Electric Car company. Who prevails? Find out here in this shootout! Tesla Model Y vs. Ford Mustang Mach E
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The Ford Mach-E and Tesla Model Y both have similar release times. Certain trims launching in mid to late 2020, and all variants available by the end of 2021.
In the Model Y, the vast majority of controls are done so with a large, center-mounted 15-inch horizontal touch screen. Similarly, in Ford Mach-E, the vast majority of controls are done so with a large, center-mounted 15.5-inch vertical touch screen.
The Ford Mach-E will include what Ford calls Co-Pilot.
Pre-Collision assistant with automatic emergency braking.
Blind Spot Information System with Cross-Traffic Alert
Lane-Keeping System
Rear View Camera
Auto High Beams
Reverse Brake Assist
Post-Collision Braking
Reverse Sensing System
Intelligent Adaptive Cruise Control
Evasive Steering Assist
Navigation
The Tesla Model Y will include what Tesla calls Autopilot
Emergency Braking
Collision Warning
Blind-Spot Monitoring
Adaptive Cruise Control
Autosteer
Steering, Accelerating, and Braking automatically for other vehicles and pedestrians within its lane
In the Model Y, for an extra $7000, you can upgrade to what they call Full Self Driving. The Full Self Driving package includes all of the autopilot features plus:
Summon (where the car drives to you)
Autopark
Auto Lane Change
Navigate on Autopilot (Where the car drives for you 100% on the freeway, and eventually all roads).
As well as three features Tesla is planning to release via software update before the Model Y releases including:
Stop Signs and Traffic Lights Recognition
Automatic city street driving
Full Self Driving
As you can see, comparing the Ford Mustang Mach E vs Model Y is a pretty even shootout!
In the premium variants of the Mach-E, it includes active park assist 2.0, and a 360-degree camera.
Both the Model Y and Mach-E use your smartphone as the primary key.
The Mustang Mach-E, in its nicer variants, includes a B& O Sound System with 10 speakers.
The Model Y includes premium audio with 14 speakers.
The Tesla Model Y is available in White, Black, Grey, Blue, and Red, with paint options costing an extra $750, $1000, or $2000 depending on the color.
The Mach-E is available in two different white colors, blue, silver, grey, black, and red, with paint options costing an extra $400 or $600 depending on the color.
The Ford Mustang Mach-E select starts at $43,895, gets 230 miles of range, and a low 6 seconds 0-60.
The Model Y starts at $43,000, gets 230 miles of range, and a 5.9 second 0-60.
The Mustang Mach-E Premium starts at $50,600, gets 300 miles of range, and a mid 5 seconds 0-60.
The Tesla Model Y Long Range starts at $48,000, gets 300 miles of range, and 5.5 seconds 0-60
For charging, Ford plans for 80% of charging to be done at home using 120V plugs and fast 240V chargers for home, and Tesla does the same with the Model Y.
On the go, Tesla has a huge network of 14,000+ superchargers which are the fastest chargers in the world. Superchargers reach speeds of up to 250kw and can give a model y 168 miles of charge in as little as 15 minutes.
Similarly, Ford has launched what it calls the FordPass Charging Network. They have partnered with companies like Greenlots and Electrify America to make charging on the go easy, no matter where you are. The Mach-E supports charging up to 150kw on the higher end models which Ford says will give you about 47 miles of range in as little as 10 minutes.
One major benefit that the Ford Mach-E has over the Tesla Model Y right now is the tax incentives from the federal government. In the US, Mach-E buyers will receive a $7500 tax credit, and Model Y buyers will receive nothing.
In my opinion, the Model Y is a better vehicle due to Tesla’s vastly improved Battery efficiency, and their options for Full Self Driving.
So, which car wins in your opinion? Do you trust Tesla’s Autopilot or Ford’s Co-Pilot more? Leave a comment below and let me know! I hope you enjoyed this complete breakdown of the Ford Mustang Mach-E vs the Tesla Model Y
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Ryan Shaw
Ryan Shaw 11 oy oldin
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JohnnyZenith
JohnnyZenith 10 oy oldin
A lack of a HUD or drivers screen is a massive drawback for Tesla.
Patrick Sokoloski
Patrick Sokoloski 2 oy oldin
I'll get either one.
Patrick Sokoloski
Patrick Sokoloski 2 oy oldin
Great video! I heard that the Mustang Mach E will have self driving capabilities like a Tesla. I know Tesla is dragging Ford into an autonomous electric vehicle world. Ford will also have a self driving Fusion by 2022. I'm excited and can't wait for our driver less future to arrive. I know with self driving cars on the road, there will be less accident and more alcoholic beverages will be served and consumed at bars and events and nobody will have to worry about drunk driving, because a self driving car will be your designated driver and drive you home safely.
Mike M
Mike M 5 oy oldin
is...he wearing lipstick?
James Campbell
James Campbell 7 oy oldin
Who wants every single legacy automaker and all Tesla's competitors out of business and we all just drive Tesla's?
Claudio Pardo
Claudio Pardo 8 oy oldin
I have sat and test drove a model 3. If the model y is 80% the same, how can you say the Tesla is better. The Mach E is beautiful and is being built by an actual car maker. As you were comparing the cars, I could tell you were a Tesla fan because it sounded like you were leaning towards being a Tesla fan and then at The end you said you have purchased a Teslsa so I was right. Not fair to create this video if you are biased towards Tesla.
Jeffrey Fissel
Jeffrey Fissel 8 oy oldin
Trying the Mach E already have a 2013 focus electric and quite pleased with it as a short range commuter. Other issues with Tesla are slow repair times and collision repair is a nightmare. If you live in the hinterlands away from large Metro areas ford will have the dealer network edge if not yet the expertise. The Focus electric was advanced in 2013 ford put a lot into it, far superior to the gas version. Hoping for the best
Ryan Shaw
Ryan Shaw 8 oy oldin
Hope it turns out well! My biggest concern about the Mach-E is that ford will still be focused on their gas cars, and service won't be able to work with an electric car as easily. Should be a great car though, so I definitely hope for the best!
Bob Han
Bob Han 8 oy oldin
Tax credit IS FAIR imho. Tesla got easy start because of tax credit while they struggled to learn. Tesla benefitted from ICE manufacturers' previous innovations. Now it's Ford's turn to benefit from tax credit, and learn from some Tesla mistakes and innovations. I like Tesla better at this point but I am still skeptical of lack of lidar on Tesla. It's a built in Tesla weakness and there isn't any OTA upgrade path.
hellcat1988
hellcat1988 9 oy oldin
That big F-YOU knob on the ford screen is going to be a hell of a lot more annoying than people think. You just wait.
Ryan Shaw
Ryan Shaw 9 oy oldin
I can imagine it will be.
tobber08
tobber08 9 oy oldin
Ford is Tesla “Lite”..... Ford uses Harbor Freight lithium batteries.....
Dheeraj Singh
Dheeraj Singh 9 oy oldin
ford has an electric vehicle .. u don't know that ?
Ryan Shaw
Ryan Shaw 9 oy oldin
Not a mass market one.
Glitchy Soup
Glitchy Soup 9 oy oldin
12:15 Tesla has said, that other car makers can use their charging network.
Bradley Anderson
Bradley Anderson 9 oy oldin
@Glitchy Soup Tesla has an adapter plug for sale so that Tesla owners can use Chademo chargers but not the reverse. There are no other adapters. Electricity may be electricity but the software controlled charging protocols are different.
Glitchy Soup
Glitchy Soup 9 oy oldin
@Bradley Anderson Electricity is electricity. There is this nice thing, which is called adapter. You can buy it and use Tesla charging station to charge non-tesla car. You may not use it at Tesla charging speeds, because rest of the electric cars are not as advanced as Tesla.
Bradley Anderson
Bradley Anderson 9 oy oldin
They lie. Other cars use Chademo or CCS. I went and looked at the new Tesla supercharger lot in Hattiesburg and it was Tesla only. Some of the urban Teslas sites have level 2 (240V) chargers and any car could use them but only Teslas can use their super chargers.
C B
C B 9 oy oldin
its android auto not audio... cheers tho for good video...
Ryan Shaw
Ryan Shaw 9 oy oldin
Yeah, slip of the tongue. Thanks for watching!
Cesar Trujillo
Cesar Trujillo 9 oy oldin
I wonder when we will learn more about Ford’s Co-Pilot hardware and software along with testing
Ryan Shaw
Ryan Shaw 9 oy oldin
Yeah, I’m curious to see it in action
Quan Pham
Quan Pham 9 oy oldin
Tesla hands down even without the $7500. Experience with battery, motor and constant updates on the system is key as well as supercharging stations. I just wish the cybertruck was out sooner but may have to just end up leasing the Y if available and even a 3 performance if not. Got to get my feet wet somehow.
Quan Pham
Quan Pham 9 oy oldin
@Ryan Shaw for 90% of my use, any EV would do fine charged overnight in my garage. For long distance road trip...Teslas can charge at all supercharging stations and all other charging stations but non Tesla EVs can't charge at Supercharging stations and let's not even go to charge rate. Still, I'd stay away from big weekends and holiday as the queue for supercharging stations can be daunting.
Ryan Shaw
Ryan Shaw 9 oy oldin
Quan Pham yeah. In the grand scheme of things, hopefully that $7500 is still worth getting the Tesla
Drew - AZURE Perth West Aust
Drew - AZURE Perth West Aust 9 oy oldin
Hey Ryan just watched you video congrats on the production level you achieve combine with the info and critique excelect. Suggestion looking at you face closeup a health tip for your skin. Find youself a cream or serum with minimum 1% Pure Retinol. Why ? The skin wrinkels at side of your eyes will be gone in 45/60 days. One brand widely available is "the ordinary"
05Askur Freyr Andrason
05Askur Freyr Andrason 9 oy oldin
android audio? do you mean android auto
Ryan Shaw
Ryan Shaw 9 oy oldin
05Askur Freyr Andrason yep. Slip of the tongue
InfoRanker
InfoRanker 9 oy oldin
Who don't these things have front wheel drive instead of rear wheel drive? Driving in the snow with rear wheel drive is just horrible. I know all wheel drive is an option for some models but I'm sure that extra $$$ to an already expensive car.
Alex
Alex 9 oy oldin
Oh I have to buy the Mach E through a dealership? No thanks 😂. Tesla has earned my money already for not forcing me to deal with crooked dealers.
Quan Pham
Quan Pham 9 oy oldin
Yeah, I read you. I've bought many cars at dealerships...each time I go, I pack a lunch with drinks, have my MMA gloves on, my mouth piece and I will jab my thumb in a salesman eye ball just to get a later free oil change...something EVs don't need.
Shane Puffer
Shane Puffer 9 oy oldin
I am loving the look and features of both, but I have to say that I like the fact that Ford has a bigger ground game, better customer service and I do not know if I'm ready for the full minimalistic of the tesla, I'm sure I would get use to looking right to see my speed and all that, but I like the ability of glancing in front of me more. I just wish the Tesla would just do a heads up display, which give you a choice to have it on or not. I know for a fact that this will not even be close to my last EVS car so due to this I'm not really worried about having the autonomous driving that the tesla is capable of, but I will have to say I do like what the tesla can do. Ford is bad on updates for their car's now, but this EV is very different so I hope ford will do a better with this new car, if they don't it could hurt future sales. Boy, that $7500 tax credit is a big deal and that could be the deciding factor for me. At this moment I have a 2019 Ram with their big screen uconnect system, and most of their stuff is though it's touch screen and it can get annoying having to look though the system, the fact that the Ford has more quick buttons for things is appealing. I love my CarPlay, and I want that with my next car, I have it now and love it. Due to Ford being a more established company it is easier to get loans and for me to get the ford pre-ordered it is only $500 while Tesla is $2500; of course both of these will go towards your cars down payment later, so I guess it matters if you have the money know or not. My last statement is also due to the establishment of ford that using my Ram as a trade-in will be way easier. I have not made up my mind yet, but at this moment Ford may be winning.
Wally Benson
Wally Benson 8 oy oldin
don't forget you can talk to your Tesla and tell it to do anything that you can do with the touch screen and more. All of my other cars and trucks if I want my over head lights on I have to hunt for the switch, my Tesla I just tell it to turn on the over head lights or off. Why is it all Tesla owners still talk about their Teslas years after getting them? I have gone though a lot of cars and trucks over the past 69 years and have never had anything like my model 3 and waiting to add the CyberTruck just for the fun of it. Trade in is super easy with Tesla. If you owe taxes then the tax brake is a big deal. I like the Tesla service over the Ford, Tesla came to my home! Anyway, you can tell I'm now a fanboy [OK an old fanboy] and as it looks I'll only own Teslas from now on. PS; I like having UZpost TV and Netflix in my Tesla with the surround sound and subwoofer. Try before you buy.
Quan Pham
Quan Pham 9 oy oldin
You'll not miss it. I've owned a prius that has the same location for speed. It take the drive from the dealership in Sacramento CA to Stockton CA to get use to getting your speed by glancing right. I don't know what the issues is for people who are afraid of it. You use navigation on your dash that is in the middle? You see estimated arrival time or remaining distance? Well same thing only speed in a tesla or prius is in much bigger font.
Craig Snype
Craig Snype 9 oy oldin
Good video man! Very informative.
Ryan Shaw
Ryan Shaw 9 oy oldin
Thank you! Glad to hear, and thanks for watching!
Mark Eden
Mark Eden 9 oy oldin
Ryan Great video Is Ford making any money on the Mach E? A bigger heavier battery also results in poor dynamics to the Ford Also Ford dealerships won’t push the MachE since there’s less money for them in their service shop Ford have to copy the Tesla business model
Ryan Shaw
Ryan Shaw 9 oy oldin
They said that they will make money on it right away. Time will tell if it doesn't sell well due to the reasons you mentioned.
Matt Stehouwer
Matt Stehouwer 9 oy oldin
At this point, I am leaning to the Model Y.
Matt Stehouwer
Matt Stehouwer 9 oy oldin
@Ryan Shaw After driving a Volts for the last 8 years and the hatchback space in the Y seems the better way to go. I am working on putting my first video together on making the decision of what car to purchase.
Ryan Shaw
Ryan Shaw 9 oy oldin
Matt Stehouwer same! What are your reasons in particular?
Vicken Bastajian
Vicken Bastajian 9 oy oldin
I see ford mustang electric mach e gt
SV-G
SV-G 2 oy oldin
lol
Elias Campos
Elias Campos 10 oy oldin
Maybe Ford decided to build the Mach e in Mexico because it will be one of the largest producers of lithium in the world so been close to your future source of advantage is a clever idea. Ford is bigger than tesla with a much more big suppliers portfolio... Maybe they can partner well to create all the components they need without doing a expensive investment
Ryan Shaw
Ryan Shaw 9 oy oldin
Quan Pham this is true! I wonder how far it extends. Would Tesla be willing to do that, but ford wouldn’t want to? Or is it the other way around?
Quan Pham
Quan Pham 9 oy oldin
If I was Ford, I'd be talking to Elon and see if I can license battery tech and charging tech so that my car would be more competitive by being able to access supercharging stations. Seems Elon goal is to not crush competition but to make sure EV flourishes.
Joseph Grochowski
Joseph Grochowski 9 oy oldin
Tesla doesn't want suppliers everything done in house as much as possible
Ryan Shaw
Ryan Shaw 10 oy oldin
Elias Campos we shall see! Only time will tell.
Chester Abellera
Chester Abellera 10 oy oldin
Easier for viewers to see all the price and performances data in a table to show comparison side by side (while the are being read)
Jimmy Benfield
Jimmy Benfield 10 oy oldin
Very Unhappy Ford Owner! Ford destroyed the value of there customers vehicles be offering discounts to consumers who purchased 2016; F-150 if the traded up for a 2017 model. So my $50,000.00 vehicle dropped in value faster than, normal simply because the market became flooded by Ford actions. As for service after the sale. Simply put.... if you think Ford Motor Company is going to stand behind any item they build or sale, good luck with that. As for software updates that should be part of the E-Mach future services if people really think Ford will stand behind this idea I have some amazing ocean front property that has your name on it and I'll fix you right up. All we will need is your. Credit Card Number. And that's what future E-Mach owners should be ready to hear every month or so. So as soon as I can get my beautiful 2016 $50,000.00 F-150 4×4 paid for which by that time will be worthless then I'll be ordering my Model Y.
Ryan Shaw
Ryan Shaw 10 oy oldin
Sorry to hear that happened! Hopefully that won't happen to people in the future.
Turre Tuntematon
Turre Tuntematon 10 oy oldin
I think Apple’s Car Play is starting to be pretty old technology by now. I doubt they can keep up with Tesla.
Ryan Shaw
Ryan Shaw 10 oy oldin
Tesla appears to be adding voice Texting in the most recent update, so we'll see how that compares to Siri on carplay.
Jean-Maurice Bicard
Jean-Maurice Bicard 10 oy oldin
Turre Tuntematon old but work well.
Pat D
Pat D 10 oy oldin
Nice video Ryan you did an Outstanding comparing of the two electric vehicles great job 💯💯✊🏽. I am a model X guy but nice have the info!
Pat D
Pat D 10 oy oldin
You’re welcome Ryan and the model X is a lot of fun definitely enjoy driving it.
Ryan Shaw
Ryan Shaw 10 oy oldin
Pat D thanks for watching! Much appreciated 🙌🏻. How’s your Model X?
dhincks1
dhincks1 10 oy oldin
Mustang built in Mexico. Tesla built in USA
bbbf09
bbbf09 8 oy oldin
So Tesla takes the Trump economic model, Mustang Democrat ? I'll stick with Mustang
Quan Pham
Quan Pham 9 oy oldin
@aaron lopez for the the chinese market.
aaron lopez
aaron lopez 9 oy oldin
Now Telsa is builting in China :(
grid426
grid426 10 oy oldin
Let's see, I have at least five ford dealerships near where I live and zero tesla stores. I'd have to go drive a few hours up to Canada or over to Ohio just to get to one. Ford doesn't need to have the better car, it just needs to be more convenient.
Quan Pham
Quan Pham 9 oy oldin
Yes, that's true. I am within 5 miles from two Ford dealer ship but the nearest Tesla store is 40 miles away and 2nd one is 60. A huge advantage for Ford but how will it beat Supercharging stations as well as charge rate?
stephen davis
stephen davis 10 oy oldin
Great breakdown! ONLY thing I'd suggest is show side by side graphics for dollar & range comparison, but other than that small detail, nicely done. I'm a model 3 awd owner & i absolutely love my car, but I'll be trading it in for the Y when it comes out (better utility, some DIY carrying capability, same cool interior) I'm glad Ford built the Mach E, it's an important car for them & for EV's in general. No need to rain on it, it seems to be a very well thought out car. My issue with it, other than its relative inefficiency, is it's "hecho en Mexico" - I'll stick with the American-as-it-gets Tesla. And when the Cybertruck tri-motor comes out, my wife gets the Y. Win/win!
Ryan Shaw
Ryan Shaw 10 oy oldin
stephen davis that’s a great plan! And yeah, I’m also excited about the Mach-E, but more about the Y. I didn’t compare apples to apples because Ford has 5 variations haha, but it would be helpful to see them side by side.
dscarty
dscarty 10 oy oldin
Cybertruck reserved instead of model y.
Quan Pham
Quan Pham 9 oy oldin
@dscarty Weight of the vehicle and range and still $40K for the single motor 2WD, price literally of a 3...Tesla has something good to announce I think.
dscarty
dscarty 9 oy oldin
Battery investor day coming soon should tell us a lot about what will happen.
Quan Pham
Quan Pham 9 oy oldin
@dscarty I'm hoping that the 500+ miles range is an option for dual motor. The range would be my only reason to go to the tri-motor. If an extra $10k gets the range that's all I need.
dscarty
dscarty 9 oy oldin
Dual motor for a lotta reasons
Quan Pham
Quan Pham 9 oy oldin
I'm in the same boat but may have to lease a 3P or a AWD Y just to hold me over for the Cybertruck. Which one did you reserve? I did the dual motor...should have done trimotor but I think you can change the final config when your number comes up. I'd do the trimotor just to get it sooner but thought the dual motor would be the first ones off the line and I don't drag race just tool around town trying to find decent parking to say away from people's door swing but with the cyber truck, I'd squeeze into the compact spot... Nah, just kidding, that'll be cruel.
Butch Bailey
Butch Bailey 10 oy oldin
Are You kidding? What is a Mach E MUSTANG? MODEL Y is in a different league in every metric. You are wrong. MODEL Y will start manufacturing by the 2nd quarter 2020. MEXICO MACH E compliance car limited production (no batteries) Excuse Me. ICE MUSTANG is still going to be built. There can not be more than one MUSTANG. I WOMDER WHAT LEE IACOCCA would have to say about this BASTARDIZATION.
Kevin
Kevin 10 oy oldin
Mach E isn’t tested yet, especially autopilot. Lol. You sound like it is already feature complete
Ryan Shaw
Ryan Shaw 10 oy oldin
Old Cat yeah haha. There’s essentially no information for it but I’m Just trying to be fair to people who aren’t as positive on tesla
Kevin
Kevin 10 oy oldin
Nah no ones gonna buy ford when Tesla Y is there lol. It’s a different level
Corn Pop
Corn Pop 10 oy oldin
@Ryan Shaw Not a fan of the shape but i like the big screen even tho it is odd looking. But you can do so much on it. I would be watching netflix on it while charging and eating my lunch. I would want the tech of a tesla with the batteries and motors but with the looks of the Mach-E.
Ryan Shaw
Ryan Shaw 10 oy oldin
Corn Pop I think it looks great! What are your thoughts on the Model 3?
Corn Pop
Corn Pop 10 oy oldin
I would rather have the Mach-E, the model Y is impressive but it looks terrible.
Ryan Shaw
Ryan Shaw 10 oy oldin
Old Cat plenty of people will buy the Mach-E and trust ford over tesla, but I do think they should buy the Model Y. Completely agree it’s another level
Supercar’s killer
Supercar’s killer 10 oy oldin
Tesla all year.
manifest 73
manifest 73 10 oy oldin
I'm going to install a big turbo kit and get a tune on my future EV car. 👇
John Green
John Green 10 oy oldin
How about over the air software update? For doesn't have it on the base models does it?
Ryan Shaw
Ryan Shaw 10 oy oldin
John Green they didn’t mention restricting it for the base models, and I doubt they would do that. Would be a huge down side to getting that car
Understanding
Understanding 10 oy oldin
Ford may have all sorts of software and hardware bugs to be fixed in the beginning, wait a year a lot of it will be ironed out and make a great car. But the buyer may miss the tax credit if he wait...catch 22
Ryan Shaw
Ryan Shaw 10 oy oldin
Simon Cheung true!
tigaagul7
tigaagul7 10 oy oldin
Has anyone ever purchased a vehicle from Ford, I'll tell you my experience and why it's important in regards to the mach-e. In 2018 I walked into a dealership ready to buy a Mustang GT. In the lobby I found the GT only it was a 2017 edition. Unfortunate for me the dealership slapped a $20 thousand adjusted market markup over MSRP. When I contested the ridiculous sum the salesman scoffed at me and said the owner of the dealership can easily find a customer to pay the fee. At that point I walked out the dealership as I will not pay what amounted to extortion for the privilege to own a GT. I am predicting there will be insane markups for this niche vehicle due to the low production numbers stated by Ford. This makes the value of an electric pointless as you are paying all your fuel cost practically up front with the purchase price. Also where are they going to get the batteries, as there is a world wide shortage. Tesla has Panasonic in house for their proprietary chemistry 18650/21700 cells. Tesla is poised to bring battery production in house and control the total cost cutting out the middle man. Also Tesla has 10 years of battery development and has acquired the means to make their own batteries 20% better and cheaper passing the savings to the customer in the future. Tell me Fords strategy for batteries technology? Tesla network has 1700 charging stations with approximately 16,000 chargers across America. I have friends with Tesla vehicles with free lifetime supercharging, what does Ford have to offer please tell me?
Bill Kerr
Bill Kerr 9 oy oldin
Ed Arenz specs aside, the Bolt is an awful car. It feels as if built by committee with odd material and styling choices. The deal breaker for me was that the uncomfortable driver’s seat is not centered on the steering column or pedals. It truly was a compliance car made to just “check the boxes,” and no more. Their Volt on the other hand is a wonderful driving experience. I’ve often wondered if the Bolt was intended to fail to “prove” that people don’t like EVs.
Ed Arenz
Ed Arenz 9 oy oldin
Look what's been happening with the Bolt. Good range (2020 model is 259 miles) but currently $8500.00 or more in discounts and they still aren't selling in any quantity.
Bill Kerr
Bill Kerr 9 oy oldin
Ford is telling dealers not to mark this up beyond sticker. It's not uncommon for high demand special edition cars to be significantly marked up. Supply and demand determines price. Econ 101. If you want the hot product that everybody else wants you better bring your wallet or be prepared to wait until the factory catches up. Now try to go find that mythical $60,000 2020 Corvette, or try to even get on the list to buy a Ford GT (GT, not Mustang GT) the next time they make a few.
Ryan Shaw
Ryan Shaw 10 oy oldin
tigaagul7 wow, that’s a terrible dealership experience. I hope that doesn’t happen with the Mach-E! I want it to succeed. And yes, I agree with all of the Tesla advantages you mentioned. It seems that most people are comparing these companies as if tesla won’t continue to advance technology and stay ahead, but I think they’ll always be ahead, or at least for a while.
E S
E S 10 oy oldin
The thing that scares me about superchargers is the fact that fast charging is very hard on batteries long term life.
Ryan Shaw
Ryan Shaw 10 oy oldin
E S yeah. It’ll be interesting to see for the future since fast charging is essential.
E S
E S 10 oy oldin
The Ford will have much much better build quality. That’s where the Tesla fails miserably. Fit and finish and overall build quality are decades behind Ford.
Ryan Shaw
Ryan Shaw 10 oy oldin
E S yeah it’s definitely good for the industry. How far do you drive? I also drive a lot, but 300 miles of Range should be fine about 95% of the time, and then superchargers (among other chargers) will fill in any gaps. Excited to see EV chargers rapidly expand
E S
E S 10 oy oldin
Ryan Shaw I hope you’re right. Tesla has made people at least think about electric cars now. Much of that was the genius of Elon’s marketing. I would never consider one for our main vehicle but i tend to do a lot of short drives close to home, for that reason I’d definitely consider one for a second or third vehicle
Ryan Shaw
Ryan Shaw 10 oy oldin
E S other manufacturers definitely have an advantage of experience there. From what I’ve heard, and been reading with the “Tesla Model 3 Survey” from Bloomberg. I think saying that they “fail miserably” wouldn’t be the case anymore.
E S
E S 10 oy oldin
Ryan Shaw not in the last year, but i highly doubt they have improved to match other manufacturers because they had way to far to go.
Ryan Shaw
Ryan Shaw 10 oy oldin
E S have you seen the build quality of a Tesla in the last year or so?
Rowena Grinsam
Rowena Grinsam 10 oy oldin
Mach e will be competing with Ipace and etron, not with Tesla yet because they going to facing the problems like ipace and etron did.
Ryan Shaw
Ryan Shaw 10 oy oldin
First electric to this scale. They sold 560 Ford Focus's last year and are planning 50,000 Mach-E's in 2020.. So we will see. I still consider it to be competing with Tesla since people have been deciding between those two, and they're at the same price.
E S
E S 10 oy oldin
Rowena Grinsam this is not their first electric vehicle so i doubt that will be a problem.
Bill Kerr
Bill Kerr 10 oy oldin
Three quick comments: - Not Ford's first electric car. - While car dealers aren't generally popular Ford has dealers everywhere. They have mechanics and access to parts through an established supply chain. - Mach-E looks like a normal-ish car. Many people dislike the spartan look of the Model 3 interior. - Teslas come with baggage. OK, that was four. Bonus comments: - If Ford says the car will be available in the fall of 2020 it will actually be available in the fall of 2020. - Ford is profitable year after year and pays a healthy dividend to its investors.
Bill Kerr
Bill Kerr 9 oy oldin
@Quan Pham Hopefully Tesla stockholders are taking advantage of this bump in prices to take some profit from the short sellers who are being forced to buy at inflated prices. Once these guys have covered their obligations the stock will fall quite a bit. This worries me because many Tesla stockholders do not understand how the market works and will be hugely disappointed when paper wealth in the stock drops by half. I use Ford as an example because they are the subject of the article above. Ford is currently investing $11 Billion (that they already have) fitting out plants to assemble battery packs and EVs, mostly in factories they already own. Ford is working with LG (as is Tesla) for cells. Ford is also introducing EV versions of the Transit van and F150 pickup this year. But ford is just one example. GM is doing similar things. They should show their electric version of the silverado pickup soon. GM also uses LG. But VW group (VW, Audi, Porsche, and Seat) will make the biggest impact on the EV market in the near future. They have spent more than anyone getting ready for the transition. Their new electric compact SUV won't be here until 2021 at the earliest. The major OEMs didn't commit to EVs until they felt confident the market and regulations would support sales large enough to justify the expense. The big OEMs bring enormous financial and engineering strength to the table and their ability to deliver should not be underestimated. Tesla will survive and likely prosper, but they will no longer be the only game in town. Their growth will become more difficult in the face of competition. That is why it is urgent for Tesla to expedite building manufacturing facilities now. They need to capture market share of the broader car market while they still have the clear advantage. Market share is everything and the big OEMs know how to grab it.
Quan Pham
Quan Pham 9 oy oldin
@Bill Kerr This is why I only invest in real estate. I don't understand stock as much as I understand housing demands especially in the rental market. Regardless, people holding Tesla stock is pretty happy right now as gloom and doom has been foretasted for Tesla for years and Elon and company has always been able to side step all the potholes in their path. Their product is sound and is beating competitors like a gong. Porche has a $200K car that barely compete with the $100K Tesla. People see this and this is why Tesla will continue to do well. The roughest part of Tesla's growth I believe is behind them. Strictly on EVs, Ford must control source for battery components/packs before it can compete with Tesla. Comparing number of cars sold doesn't mean much as Ford line of product and Tesla only overlap by one vehicle.
Bill Kerr
Bill Kerr 9 oy oldin
@Quan Pham Tesla's stock price is vastly inflated. For an auto industry comparison Ford stock is down as they reorganize, it's less than $10/share. The company is profitable and consistently pays out more than 5% of the stock price as dividends. Ford sold 50% more vehicles in the 4th quarter than Tesla did in the *year.* Tesla's current stock price values the company at $47.75 BILLION more than Ford, well over twice the value. Tesla aimed to make 400,000 cars this year and fell 10% short. Maybe the China factory doubles that and the German factory adds that many again within 3 years. That's still smaller than Ford. Tesla brags about vertical integration. Ford has 45 factories building cars and the parts to make cars. Ford has an established worldwide distribution chain, dealers worldwide, parts availability, manuals and tools to do repairs if no dealer is available. Ford is not an ideal car company. they are small compared to GM, VW, or especially Toyota. Tesla is being valued as a huge company but will need to invest tens or hundreds of billions in factories and support structures to justify the value of the stock. At a very basic level you can judge the value of a stock by its price to earnings ratio (P/E ratio) High ratios are justified in a rapidly growing company. Until Tesla can show that it can make a profit it has an effectively infinite P/E. They have a factory in China just now ramping up in a very volatile market. How much can they expand the Fremont factory for the Model Y? The Nevada Gigafactory is suffering from inadequate infrastructure and a total lack of worker housing so they won't be building cars there. Tesla should already have at least one other US factory and should be well beyond "talking about" a European factory. So why is the stock up so much? It's called a "Short Squeeze." I won't explain that here but Jack Rickard (a huge Tesla fan) has a great explanation of it on his UZpost channel. Musk is clever and Teslas are awesome cars but the stock price is nuts and actually makes it more difficult for the company to raise the money it needs to build the plants it has to if it is going to grow. A rational value for Tesla today would be $150-180. An optimistic value would be maybe $220-250. Jack is a (smart, financially literate) fan and thinks it's worth $300. If your 401k is in TSLA you will be working when you are 80.
Quan Pham
Quan Pham 9 oy oldin
You looked at Tesla stock lately? Signs of things to come.
Ryan Shaw
Ryan Shaw 10 oy oldin
Good points! It is Ford's first mass-market vehicle though. They sold 560 Ford Focus's in 2018, and are planning for 50,000 Mach-E's in 2020. Tesla actually appears to be ahead of schedule on the Model Y. They moved up to Summer of 2020, and now might be coming Q1 of 2020. So hopefully this is a sign of Tesla's delivery times getting better.
Aaa Aaa
Aaa Aaa 10 oy oldin
The problem with Tesla to me that it's became overly dominant in their constant "push for innovations". I like the interior of Ford much better. I like to have options! "I" wanna decide where to watch speed and some useful info - in front of me or in the middle! And it's nothing new - like 95% of cars provide info in front of a driver, not because they can't move it to the middle, but because people like it that way! Same thing with lack of adjustable - removable headrests and even rear seat armrests. And that blunt nose - original Model S looked beautiful!.. :( I like Tesla's plain, clean design but it's became boring... Luckily Cybertruck stirred that jelly Tesla's style!.. ;)
Ryan Shaw
Ryan Shaw 10 oy oldin
I find the simple design to be beautiful and not boring at all, but I can definitely understand preferring the Ford. And yeah! The Cybertruck is crazy different!
You Know
You Know 10 oy oldin
The Mach-E is so much nicer than the somewhat boring Model Y that look like an overpressurised Model 3.
Ryan Shaw
Ryan Shaw 10 oy oldin
I'm curious to see them in person, because I love the Model Y design based on the photos and videos I've seen.
cp361
cp361 10 oy oldin
Fords 1st fully electric? Not quite they have been selling the Ford Focus electric for a few years now. But it is Fords 1st ground up fully electric.
staudtj1
staudtj1 9 oy oldin
@Quan Pham well, they still were sold and came with warranties from Ford.
Quan Pham
Quan Pham 9 oy oldin
slapping an electric motor and batteries into a glider doesn't qualify. Garage tinkerers have been doing that for decades.
staudtj1
staudtj1 10 oy oldin
They also sold an electric Ranger pickup ...and a Transit Connect Electric :-)
Reginald Hawthorne
Reginald Hawthorne 10 oy oldin
Are you single? You made it very easy to pay attention. Model Y is better, but I'm a Tesla fan. I am debating on reserving a Model Y, which is promoting my research.
Quan Pham
Quan Pham 9 oy oldin
@Ryan Shaw That was awkward...I was like...he ain't answering.
Ryan Shaw
Ryan Shaw 10 oy oldin
Reginald Hawthorne also I am not single haha 😂
Ryan Shaw
Ryan Shaw 10 oy oldin
Reginald Hawthorne interesting. I’m not too concerned, but that could be what they end up doing. But many people won’t be buying the Y for performance, so it would make sense if they kept that version.
Reginald Hawthorne
Reginald Hawthorne 10 oy oldin
Ryan Shaw I noticed you didn’t answer my first question but I saw your other video and got my answer. I actually don’t need a car soon. I want to pay down on my current car which I am upside down on. I may have to wait until the standard range model is an option. I do have a question though. When the model 3 came out, there were options similar to the Model Y. The RWD Long Range Model 3 was phased out. I’m sure the same will happen to the Model Y. Any concern?
Ryan Shaw
Ryan Shaw 10 oy oldin
Model Y should be coming out Early 2020 now, so if you need a new car soon, it could be coming sooner rather than later!
markleyg
markleyg 10 oy oldin
Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery.
Ryan Shaw
Ryan Shaw 10 oy oldin
markleyg indeed!
Troy H
Troy H 10 oy oldin
Are you wearing pink lipstick 💄 man?
Ryan Shaw
Ryan Shaw 10 oy oldin
Troy H nope
Grytis BUZILIAUSKAS
Grytis BUZILIAUSKAS 10 oy oldin
wats up with the lipstick dude
Ryan Shaw
Ryan Shaw 10 oy oldin
Grytis BUZILIAUSKAS I just have red lips apparently haha. Second comment about that. Definitely no makeup being warn.
Geoff Shelley
Geoff Shelley 10 oy oldin
Mach-e > 30 MPX(kWh), Model Y > 50 MPX(kWh)
Quan Pham
Quan Pham 9 oy oldin
@Geoff Shelley learned something new to day. Thanks bro.
Geoff Shelley
Geoff Shelley 10 oy oldin
@Killroy Thanks for asking. Miles Per 10 kWh. I know some people use Wh used per mile (which is most generally what the vehicles' softwares report) and some people use miles per kWh (3.3 or 3.8 etc.) but to me using Miles Per X (that's Roman numeral 10) kWh is more familiar and in line with the way we've talked about fuel economy in the past, 28 MPG or 39 MPG, etc. The only thing a person needs to know and keep in mind is the cost of 10 kWh of power. For example in my area at home it's about $1.20. So even in a less efficient EV I could go 33 miles for about $1.20, half to one third the cost of gasoline.
Killroy
Killroy 10 oy oldin
What is MPX?
Ryan Shaw
Ryan Shaw 10 oy oldin
Yep! I'm curious to see if Ford can improve their efficiency with software.
Joe Bold
Joe Bold 10 oy oldin
I believe you forgot the situational aware acceleration Tesla got
Griffin Fox
Griffin Fox 9 oy oldin
Joe Bold no one ever talks about this. underrated feature imo
Antoine Swans
Antoine Swans 10 oy oldin
You Tesla owner's are starting to act like isheep to the iPhone. Sorry but the Mustang looks even better... Ford did an excellent job on this vehicle.
Big Doug’s Commentary
Big Doug’s Commentary 10 oy oldin
People with no legitimate argument always play the “sheep” and “fanboy” slurs.
Robert Weekley
Robert Weekley 10 oy oldin
Antoine Swans - What you mean, is: "It 'Looks Like' Ford did an excellent job!" Because, you won't really know, for at least 2-3 years!
markleyg
markleyg 10 oy oldin
Ford does not care how you will charge your car but those who purchase it will soon learn why that is a bad thing.
Ryan Shaw
Ryan Shaw 10 oy oldin
Antoine Swans I think the Model Y looks sleeker, but that’s guys me 😊. I agree that ford did an excellent job! Excited to see it out there on the roads.
Comeonuseyourbrain
Comeonuseyourbrain 10 oy oldin
The Tesla is future proof. Ford is not. Full stop.
635574
635574 10 oy oldin
Yeah where the f is their FSD?
Billy House
Billy House 10 oy oldin
I reserved a MachE GT and intent to order. I’m hoping ford is doing a good job of getting the bugs out before start of production. Paint, interior and body fit and finish should be good. Only time will tell good is the battery and motor are solid.
Anthony C
Anthony C 4 oy oldin
Clearly Tesla has not done a great job on the Model Y fit and finish. If you have any questions on this, see Ryan's video update on how Tesla cannot fix his car.
Ryan Shaw
Ryan Shaw 10 oy oldin
Billy House yeah! I hope so as well. It’d also be great to see them improve efficiency with future software updates.
D Wolff
D Wolff 10 oy oldin
Mustang E First 24 months of production 100,000 units. Model Y First 24 mon........................ction. 500,000 units. Why are these being compared again? A mustang/Camaro/Charger is a niche model from 50,000 to 100,000 sales annual. That's it.
Frank Speaking
Frank Speaking 10 oy oldin
@Ryan Shaw The major handicap Legacy Auto has is their Dealer Network who make their money out of servicing, maintenance, parts and warranty work. So far Dealers have been shown to downplay their EV products and promote their ICE products for the ongoing income
Ryan Shaw
Ryan Shaw 10 oy oldin
D Wolff that’s true, I wasn’t accounting for Gigafactory 3 making made in China versions. Very interesting points about legacy manufacturers! They can’t truly go in on electric without hurting their business that they’ve been successful in for years.
D Wolff
D Wolff 10 oy oldin
​@Ryan Shaw So last you heard....Tesla will not ramp production beyond 1000/wk for 2 years? Is that your best, most accurate 2 year forecast? Assumed 0-5000/wk of 6 months from Fremont with continued 5000/wk thereafter = 375,000. Shanghai produces the Y in year 2 as well for 125,000 additional. Legacy has NUMEROUS examples of a low production ceiling for multiple reasons. 1. Battery supply 2. Profitability of EV's (you need to justify to your shareholders). 3. The catch 22 of disrupting ICE sales. AKA how do you market the superior platform without turning your entire ICE fleet into dinotech. Public ignorance is your ally here. Just how credible are you willing to make your EV endeavors on risk of mass education away from your ICE cash cow. You want to make exciting video's that go viral. Be the first to try and show ANY smooth legacy transition from ICE to EV...by the numbers...YoY out to 2030. There will always hit a delta of change where ICE sales simply drop like a stone faster then you can expand sales of EV's...in every scenario.
Ryan Shaw
Ryan Shaw 10 oy oldin
D Wolff well they share very similar designs and specs, and both fall in the category of a crossover SUV, which is a market that’s taking off in the US. I don’t think Ford really considers this the same as their Mustang’s in the past, so it’s likely for a larger audience. I personally thing the Model Y stands out way ahead though. Where do you get the 500,000 number for the Model Y? Last I heard Elon had mentioned 1000 a week by mid 2020. So that would be around 104,000 in the first 24 months.
Bronze XV70
Bronze XV70 10 oy oldin
I reserved a Select AWD Mach E for 2021. Let’s see how this turns out.
Ryan Shaw
Ryan Shaw 10 oy oldin
Upstate SC Dashcam very nice! Should be getting my Model Y a little before then, so we can compare!
James Campbell
James Campbell 10 oy oldin
I would buy the Ford as I prefer their interior and exterior design.
Kevin
Kevin 10 oy oldin
Ryan Shaw there is no way Ford will sell 50k of these. Ford is just hedging
Big Doug’s Commentary
Big Doug’s Commentary 10 oy oldin
James Campbell you’re assuming Tesla will stand pat with their current technology. They aren’t. Hard to catch up to a moving target with a 10 year head start.
James Campbell
James Campbell 10 oy oldin
@Ryan Shaw I agree. Battery efficiency is critical to owning an EV and Tesla is good at that. However I don't think legacy auto manufacturers will stay behind for too long and Tesla won't stay at Number 1 for too long also. It's exciting times for competition and I welcome all new EV cars as I don't want every car on the road to be a Tesla.
Ryan Shaw
Ryan Shaw 10 oy oldin
James Campbell yeah, I agree with Ford’s production as far as the body and interior of the car, but it will take them a bit to get on track with batteries and battery efficiency. Ford said they’ll be restricted to 50,000 Mach-E’s produced in 2020 due to battery constraints, so we’ll see what the future holds!
James Campbell
James Campbell 10 oy oldin
@Ryan Shaw Not just in the overall look, but Ford have an advantage of mass producing their EV's in large numbers. However, they can be hampered by possible battery shortages which will affect their delieveries. I like the door locking system and the buttons to open the doors.
David J. Smith
David J. Smith 10 oy oldin
I am a FORD Guy and before FORD came out with the 2020/21 FORD Mustang Mach E GT SUV, I was leaning towards a 2020 Tesla Model X P100D, I like those Falon Doors!...Then Tesla came out with the "CYBERTRUCK"!...I Like Sci-fi and Sid Mead (Who Designed the Set for the Movie "Blade Runner!") the Futurist who use to work for FORD!...WOW!...That Blew Me Away especially the Tri-Motor version that will Go 0 to 60 in 2.9 sec.s and that's Fast for a Truck! To me, a lot Faster than the FORD F-150 Trucks, I also I just found out that FORD is also coming out with a Shelby version of the Mustang All Electric Hi-Performance SUV as well!...I am Just Saying!...God Bless America! 😇
Quan Pham
Quan Pham 9 oy oldin
You really want to connect the dots between the cyber truck and Ford huh? Any way, they've got my $100 and hopefully another $50K soon.
David J. Smith
David J. Smith 10 oy oldin
@Jimmy James...When I was growing up during the 60's & 70's among the Shelby/FORD Cobras, Shelby Dayton's, Shelby GT350 & GT500 Mustang's, FORD Mustang GT's, FORD Mach 1 Mustang's, BOSS 302 & 429 Mustang's, we too had a saying back in the Day!...FORD: FIRST ON RACE DAY!...I am Just Saying!...God Bless America! 😇
Jimmy James
Jimmy James 10 oy oldin
David J. Smith my grandmother always use to tell me , son if you work too hard you will break down like an old Ford.
Understanding
Understanding 10 oy oldin
D Wolff the TCO is so insane people almost don’t believe it. Many people will simply don’t believe it until they see their friends driving one and saving a ton of money, then they will catch on
D Wolff
D Wolff 10 oy oldin
...and you haven't even realized the math yet on TCO lifetime. Literally cutting the cost per mile to drive out to 300,000 miles in HALF.
DJ Ash
DJ Ash 10 oy oldin
Tesla is the innovator of EV technology I’m team Musk
Quan Pham
Quan Pham 9 oy oldin
Looks like I can't wait for the Cybertruck, I've got to do the Y. Dump it off to the wife in 2-3 years for the cybertruck.
Tim Wong
Tim Wong 10 oy oldin
We are TESLA owners and have ordered the Y. I wish Ford luck. Competition is good for the consumer. Our thought has been to order the EV with the most mileage available because of phantom drain, cold weather, etc. It will interesting to see the Ford MachE specs when it is a finished product. I take every car manufactures specs with a grain of salt until they are available to the public. After all, the batteries are the “soul” of the EV. Tesla, so far is the leader in battery technology. No other companies EV’s have managed to reach 300 miles, unlike TESLA.
Ryan Shaw
Ryan Shaw 10 oy oldin
Cars*
Ryan Shaw
Ryan Shaw 10 oy oldin
Tim Wong very nice! And I completely agree. No way to truly achieve an all electric future without other cars manufacturers making great electric card
László Balogh
László Balogh 10 oy oldin
Ford going to get the batteries from where? This is the biggest question. Because it can limit how many cars they can sell. This information missing from the comparsion... I guess Henry Ford ashamed about only copying a competitor. From that money that they have, they should be more innovative. We already see few Tesla competitor who can't keep up with battery.
Quan Pham
Quan Pham 9 oy oldin
@Bill Kerr Well when your gut is bigger than your @$$, it's difficult. I guess there is always suspenders ... and the gym as well as doing push-aways.
Bill Kerr
Bill Kerr 9 oy oldin
@Quan Pham I'm "retired" but not that old yet! I still go for clothes that fit :-)
Quan Pham
Quan Pham 9 oy oldin
@Bill Kerr So true but once you "retire" and get older it matter less what impression you make...LOL, I use to think why do older guys pull their pants up past their belly button or why some shows butt cracks when they bend over...now I know because I don't care what people think about how high I pull up my pants. I don't want to show my butt crack when bending over.
Bill Kerr
Bill Kerr 9 oy oldin
@Quan Pham But I live in the real world where the impressions you make matter :-)
Quan Pham
Quan Pham 9 oy oldin
@Bill Kerr Worry less about what people think. The only person's opinion that is important is you.
Miklós Somogyi
Miklós Somogyi 10 oy oldin
I’m your 100th subscriber:)
Ryan Shaw
Ryan Shaw 10 oy oldin
Miklós Somogyi woohoo! Thanks for subscribing! 👍
HW2800
HW2800 10 oy oldin
Ford Mach E is the second BEV. The first was Ford Focus Electric. I think Ford is now the king of EVs. Tesla is still a startup car company and needs to improve it’s interior before it become mainstream.
Quan Pham
Quan Pham 9 oy oldin
@Corn Pop sure...may be waaaayyyy far into the future Porche has to cheat on head to head test, they also are putting out $200K EVs that matches the performance and range of the 2012 Model S...they have a bit of catching up to do first.
Corn Pop
Corn Pop 10 oy oldin
You don't think the German manufacturers will dominate in the future ?
tigaagul7
tigaagul7 10 oy oldin
The Mach-e is a engineering joke at this point, a rush job in my view. Ford builds ICE vehicles and that is what they are half good at. Tesla has at least 10 years of R&D in their proprietary 18650/21700 cells alone. Ford has to find a supplier for batteries and accept whats available. They have no control over the price of those cells which will cut deeply into making this a profitable product, they will like take a loss on each vehicle. Tesla purchased "Maxwell" super conductor Co and is poised to produce batteries that are approximately 20% more capacity and recharge cycles from 800 to 2500 or 5000. Ford is in deep trouble when this comes to market they simply can't compete. We are not even touching the 10 years of R&D of the electric motors for Tesla are you insane? Tesla's are on maybe the 5th or 6th generation engine stuff ergo the efficiencies are through the roof. Stand by for the Ford Mach-E recalls much like the Audi E-Tron. Only a complete dufus would purchased these cars that have no real world proven application like Tesla for the past 10 years.
Big Doug’s Commentary
Big Doug’s Commentary 10 oy oldin
Must work for Ford. Where is their battery factory?
Robert Weekley
Robert Weekley 10 oy oldin
HW2800 - Please Note: the Ford Focus was Designed for them, by their Prime Supplier, as a Conversion, hence the rear Battery bump.
Paul M
Paul M 11 oy oldin
Elon is extremely smart. Elons BIG GOAL was to have other car manufacturers enter the EV market and try to compete and when they do he will completely crush them! Believe me Tesla will be the biggest auto manufacturer in the whole world!
Quan Pham
Quan Pham 9 oy oldin
@Troy Savary cleantechnica.com/2019/08/10/tesla-model-3-outsold-bmw-mercedes-audi-lexus-competitors-in-2nd-quarter-in-usa-by-a-landslide/ I guess I should have said model 3 specifically in the US. I was not a fan at first as the expense for early adopters and the lack of charging on road trips were just inadequate and impractical. I was borderline a Tesla hater. Then as an Aerospace Engineer working for a subcontractor on Space X programs and realize that my ideal vehicle, a Volt could be so much more...Then came the 3. The $40+K model 3 puts it in the range of a much bigger segment and charging stations are popping up like weeds everywhere and now $40K for a cybertruck has made me a fan. Actually if the model 3 is a hatchback i'd be owner already and not just a fan. Comparing oranges to oranges not oranges to a bushel of fruit that has some oranges, Tesla is out selling its completion. By the end of 2020, they would have also beaten the other fruit sellers in selling oranges in China. If you don't want to give them credit, that's fine but this is a car company who delivered its first car in 2008, first 500 cars the next year. I'd say that's impressive growth albeit with some growing pain. Don't like fruit or fruit analogy? How about a bicycle analogy? Lightning bicycles sold less than Huffy bicycles ... nah, let's not go there. It would make me sound like Porsche and Mercedes hater. Furthest from truth, I've owed three Porsches but only one Mercedes. Loved them all, drove them to the ground, now I have a Pilot, a family hauler and a Tacoma, equipment and tool hauler so I can keep up my rentals. Sigh...Anything Tesla will add spice here. I left for my usual 2 hour lunch today as I do on most Fridays (semi-retired) and just realized as I type this that I went out of my way to put 16 gallons of regular gas into my Tacoma and thought, how nice would it have been to just plug in at home and start each day with 250 or 300 or 500+ (Cyber truck trimotor) and never have to look at on-road refueling for 90% of my driving. That would save me about 12 hours each year. More than offset 45 minutes at a supercharging station (yeah I know there are long lines on big holiday weekends but more chargers are being put in place, kind of the same way gas stations were back in the days when horse and buggy could fuel up anywhere but not gas cars). Hey I can road trip off peak drive time or take my Honda Pilot. My daughter likes it more anyway, it has the built in Blue-ray player that magically shortens road trip. Hey Tesla self driving wold allow me to play checkers with her while it drives us there. Anyway, Porsche is trying pretty hard and so is Audi and they are competitive not on price and on performance? Yes, with a 2012 Model S. Well, you've read this far, that's diligent and perseverance. You sure you aren't a Tesla hater? I have to wonder. Or is it Elon or simply Tesla fans like me? Darn now you will tell me that Porsche and Audi are leaps and bounds beyond Tesla. Sure you are not a Tesla Hater?
Troy Savary
Troy Savary 9 oy oldin
@Quan Pham Tesla sold less than 400k last year. BMW sold 2.4 million. Mercedes sd over two million. Tesla fans keep saying Tesla is outselling luxury makers, but they are just repeating each other's lie. You don't have a clue what you are talking about.
Quan Pham
Quan Pham 9 oy oldin
@Troy Savary It certainly read like it as you stated. They are posting a profit. Plenty of businesses loses money year after year but continues to operate as they have the confidence of their investors. Your comment does not mentioned "the other vehicle" until you respond to my reply. Tesla is out selling established luxury brands like Lexus, BMW, Mercedes and posting a profit but you predict that they will go bankrupt or be bought...Ahem, fact is that Elon will not sell because he will not trust anyone to push his vision for EVs That leave bankruptcy? Well when the competition is putting out products (EV market only) that is competitive in performance only to their 2012 Model S. Porsche comes closest at about twice the price. Well, I think there is about 8 years of catching up to do. Perhaps not hate from you, I may over state a smidgen but it ain't love. Regarding losses, here is an article @Troy Savary It certainly read like it as you stated. They are posting a profit. Plenty of businesses loses money year after year but continues to operate as they have the confidence of their investors. Your comment does not mentioned "the other vehicle" until you respond to my reply. Tesla is out selling established luxury brands like Lexus, BMW, Mercedes and posting a profit but you predict that they will go bankrupt or be bought...Ahem, fact is that Elon will not sell because he will not trust anyone to push his vision for EVs That leave bankruptcy? Well when the competition is putting out products (EV market only) that is competitive in performance only to their 2012 Model S. Porsche comes closest at about twice the price. Well, I think there is about 8 years of catching up to do. You sure spend a lot of time commenting on something that is about to go away and still not a whole lot on "the other vehicle".
Troy Savary
Troy Savary 9 oy oldin
@Quan Pham One, stating facts is not hate. My like or dislike of Tesla does not change the fact that they have lost money every year since they were founded. Two, this video was not about just Tesla. There was a second vehicle featured.
Quan Pham
Quan Pham 9 oy oldin
@Troy Savary Wow why the Tesla hate? Why spend time watching videos of things you loath? Strange.
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